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The Red Belt Podcast

Real conversations with martial arts school owners about what it takes to grow a successful academy. Hosted by Brian Debes.

Real school owners. Real strategies. Real growth.

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28 episodes and counting — each one an hour with a school owner sharing exactly what worked (and what didn’t).

What You’ll Learn

The problems every school owner faces — solved by owners who’ve been there

Getting More Students

How owners fill kids programs, convert parents into adult members, and turn trial classes into sign-ups.

Improving Retention

Progress reports, renewals, events, and the touchpoints that keep students training for years.

Increasing Revenue

Summer camps, after-school programs, multiple programs under one roof, and seven-figure gyms.

Systems & Staff

The staff systems, AI tools, and processes that let an owner step back without the school slipping.

Culture & Community

Leadership, the way we speak to students, and building a room people never want to leave.

Overcoming Challenges

Small towns, day jobs, starting from scratch, and planning an exit — real obstacles, real fixes.

All Episodes

Every conversation, newest first

  1. Oct 9, 2026 · 100 min

    Becoming an Intrapreneur in a Martial Arts Gym | Redbelt podcast 28 with Stefan Miller

    Stefan Miller is a coach at Mike Stewart's, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and MMA gym. It's a seven-figure gym, and he was with Mike as they grew to five locations, and in this episode, Stefan talks about how you can better make your own living as an employee by better serving the gym. Stefan is able to make six figures as an employee with different hustles and commissions within his gym without being a gym

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  2. Episode 27 · Jul 3, 2026 · 54 min

    The New School Way to Grow Your School with Dave Kovar

    Dave Kovar owns 18 schools with over 5000 students in total. His main facility has reached over 900 students by itself. Today Dave talks about how things have changed in the martial arts industry and what it takes to be successful today as well as specific strategies to engage students and keep them coming longer. Don’t miss this one! Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making s

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  3. Episode 26 · Jun 26, 2026 · 59 min

    Changing the Way We Speak to Students to Transform Them with Joe Vitale

    Dr. Joe Vitale was once homeless. Today he is the author of over 90 books, star in over 30 movies, including the hit movie The Secret, and he is a musician with 15 albums out. He received the US President Lifetime Service Award in 2024, and the Los Angeles Tribune Lifetime Achievement Award in 2021. His own movie, Zero Limits, released in 2025 and won 27 film awards. It just today surpassed one mi

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  4. Episode 25 · Jun 19, 2026 · 64 min

    Converting Parents of Kids into Adult Members with Farshad Azad

    Grand Master Farshad Azad has been teaching for decades and he has a system I’ve never seen before for turning parents of child students into members and in doing so both adding more students and increasing retention for the whole family. He also talks about the nurturing process of how after he gets students in he checks in with them, keeps in touch and monitors their at risk status with an “ABC”

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  5. Episode 24 · Jun 12, 2026 · 65 min

    Building the Systems for a Super Gym with Nakapan Phungephorn

    Nakapan Phungephorn is a lifetime martial artist who teaches BJJ, Muay Thai and MMA. His single location has over 600 members and is on track to do 1.7 million this year. Remarkably his spend on marketing is quite minimal and he instead leans heavily in referral systems and grass root marketing efforts. On this podcast Nakapan talks about how he structures his referral reward system, exactly how h

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  6. Episode 23 · Jun 5, 2026 · 65 min

    Using AI and Progress Report Systems to Grow Huge in a Small Town with Dan Tyrrell

    Dan Tyrrell lives in a town with only a couple of thousand residents but has over 200 students. In this podcast he talks about using AI systems to give better customer service and experience and also how he uses systems of progress reports to keeps students engaged and to show parents that the martial arts school is more than self defense for kids, it’s a partner in parenting and can demonstrate c

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  7. Episode 22 · May 15, 2026 · 58 min

    How to Develop the Right Systems and Mindset for Growth with Scott Maczuga

    In Episode 22 of Red Belt Podcast we talk to Scott Maczuga. Scott blew up his school and transformed into a fully accredited, highly successful private school! He’s the only martial arts school owner I know whom has done this. He talks about the current systems and mindset needed for any sort of growth! Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making student retention and acquisition

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  8. Episode 21 · May 8, 2026 · 56 min

    Double Your Revenue with Summer Camp and Kid Stages of Development with Doug Rankin

    In Episode 21 of Redbelt Podcast Doug Rankin talks about how he doubled his year revenue in 9 weeks of the summer with a summer camp, how they divide kid classes based on children’s neural development level instead of “age” or “skill level” and more! Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making student retention and acquisition easier for gym owners. For more information about Red

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  9. Episode 20 · Jan 29, 2025 · 71 min

    Strategies for Kids Program and BJJ History with Don Stoner

    Don Stoner is a BJJ Black that came up under the legendary Rigan Machado. Today he talks about how he can teach real legit BJJ but still make a great kids program with great retention. We also talk allot about BJJ history and how it fits in with BJJ today! Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making student retention and acquisition easier for gym owners. For more information abo

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  10. Episode 19 · Oct 18, 2024 · 53 min

    Growing a BJJ School from Scratch with David Freeman

    David has no conventional business background but on this episode of Redbelt Podcast he discussed how he used his background in ordinary jobs to give him a boost in starting his bjj school and different tactics he has used to grow his school! Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making student retention and acquisition easier for gym owners. For more information about Red Belt So

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  11. Episode 18 · Aug 9, 2024 · 44 min

    How to Leverage Multiple Programs with Victor Young

    Victor Young was a school owner I knew that did Jiujitsu, kickboxing, mma and a tons of other traditional programs as well and was struggling. He turned his school in to close to a million dollar a year school with good business systems and consistent effort. Today, he goes over some of those systems. Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making student retention and acquisition e

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  12. Episode 17 · Jul 5, 2024 · 66 min

    How to Keep Your Martial Arts Students Longer with Paul Halme

    Paul Halme has been running a successful BJJ school and teaching others with successful martial arts schools for a very long time. Today he talks about strategies you can use to keep your students staying longer. Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making student retention and acquisition easier for gym owners. For more information about Red Belt Software, please visit us at ⁠ht

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  13. Episode 16 · Jun 28, 2024 · 71 min

    How to Run Multiple Gyms and Leverage Goals to Sign Up Kids with Casey Halstead

    Casey has run 8 gyms, all very very successfully for quite some time while still raising a family. Casey talks about this, about the new booming future of pro grappling, why we shouldn’t feel bad to sell parents the dream their kids could be a pro one day and the benefits that actually has. Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making student retention and acquisition easier for g

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  14. Episode 15 · Jun 14, 2024 · 83 min

    How to Exit and Retire From Teaching at Your Martial Arts School with Michael Bank

    In this episode of Redbelt Podcast, Michael Bank talks about how he just retired a multi millionaire at age 40 after a career owning a martial arts school and how this strategy can also work for basically anyone, even employees and non business owners. Plus tons of tips for school owners, how to reduce cancellations, how to look at how to reinvest in your school and more! Red Belt Podcast is a pro

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  15. Episode 14 · Jun 7, 2024 · 67 min

    Run a High Success School from a Yacht at Sea with Stan Lee

    Stan Lee has owned a martial arts school for over 30 years. He currently has an ultra successful school he runs remotely from his yacht for months at a time. He filmed this podcast from that yacht. Stan talks about great systems he has for charter development for kids, his after school program and how it can be both ultra profitable and still super legit and more! Red Belt Podcast is a production

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  16. Episode 13 · May 31, 2024 · 70 min

    Retention and Referral Mastery with Events in BJJ School with Troy Miller

    Troy Miller is a life long martial artists that now has limited involvement in his school but still has close to a million dollar a year gym. He uses a number of internal and external events to drive referrals and increase retention. He also shares a number of subtle changes in process that increase the percentage of referrals when you ask for them. Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Sof

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  17. Episode 12 · May 24, 2024 · 54 min

    Making a 7 figure BJJ Gym While Keeping a Day Job you Love with Josh Frye

    Josh Frye has maintained very close to a Million Dollar a year gym with a small staff of two full time employees and 2 part time employees while still keeping his day job as a teacher himself and limiting his own involvement. Today he talks about exactly how he set that up and how you could benefit from similar systems! Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making student retentio

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  18. Episode 11 · May 17, 2024 · 39 min

    Making Your BJJ Gym a Non-profit with Mike "Jits" Tracey

    Today on RedBelt Podcast, Brazilian JiuJitsu gym owner and former 7 figure BJJ mat company owner Mike “Jits” Tracey talks about the potential benefits of making your BJJ gym legally a non profit, how you can still control it and pay yourself and your family from it, and why he chose that route. Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making student retention and acquisition easier f

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  19. Episode 10 · May 3, 2024 · 54 min

    How to Make a 6 figure BJJ Gym with Response Speed with Chris Conolley

    Chris Conolley has been past a million dollar a gym for a long time, typically doing between $105,000 and $120,000 per MONTH at his school. In the episode he talks about what it takes to do that, how not only doing that doesn’t water down his school but has made it better with better competitors, how to get more out of the same amount of leads and more! Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt

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  20. Episode 9 · Apr 26, 2024 · 71 min

    Revenue Generating Systems for BJJ Schools with Matt Arroyo

    Matt Arroyo has owned a bjj school all the way back when he was a blue belt. He’s also been to ADCC, has fought in the UFC and now runs a close to million dollar a year academy. But only around half his revenue comes from student tuition. That’s the same way for myself and many other very successful school owners. Today, we talk about one of the biggest elements in pulling that off as well as sett

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  21. Episode 8 · Mar 22, 2024 · 118 min

    Setting up Staff Systems for Your Martial Arts School with Amy Magers

    Amy Magers owns a BJJ school along with her husband Kris Magers and is also a co owner of a consulting company. In this episode she talks about one of her specialties, setting up staff system in your martial arts school. This is applicable even if you are a small school or even if it’s just you. She covers how you should block out your time, what sort of tasks you should be doing, what an “SOP” is

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  22. Episode 7 · Mar 1, 2024 · 93 min

    Better Retention and Annual Renewals at Your BJJ Gym with Mike Stewart

    Mike Stewart had a giant BJJ gym before even reaching Black belt. Today Mike talks about the secrets of his great success and some specialty processes of his like his system to get a large amount of his students to enroll for their second year. Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making student retention and acquisition easier for gym owners. For more information about Red Belt

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  23. Episode 6 · Feb 23, 2024 · 68 min

    Martial Arts Business Growth and Learning the Systems that Built a BJJ Empire with Brandon Mccaghren (aka BMac)

    Brandon Mccaghren (BMac) has become a growing sensation in BJJ. Known for his instructionals, commentating and his pro tournament circuit PGL, he’s been doing huge things! We talk about his BJJ school that he grew before all of those things, the tips he would have given himself when he started and how he shifted and grew to the other avenues. Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software,

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  24. Episode 5 · Feb 16, 2024 · 66 min

    Building Culture and Leadership in BJJ with Johnny Buck

    Johnny Buck is a BJJ black, Pro MMA fighter, former wrestler and highly successful school owner. He has an overwhelming focus on purpose and culture and his team is more bought into it than any I have ever seen. Today we talk to him about how we can build the culture of our gym so that members and staff want to stay as well as the exact experiences at every step of the customer journey that Johnny

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  25. Episode 4 · Feb 2, 2024 · 64 min

    Building a 7 Figure After School/Summer Camp for a BJJ School with Gary Schill

    Gary Schill has been in the martial arts business a long time. He teaches both BJJ and traditional martial arts at his gym. To him, after school and summer camp are extra, supplementary things and not the primary focus. Yet with a few systems in place, he does over $1,000,000 in revenue a year from just those extra programs. On this podcast we deep dive into exactly those systems! Red Belt Podcast

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  26. Episode 3 · Jan 19, 2024 · 143 min

    BJJ Business, How to Sign up TONS of Kids in Your Program and Curriculum Tips with Mike Sandford

    Mike Sandford is a BJJ Black Belt and highly, highly successful school owner. I wanted to have Mike Sandford because he does the best kids intro and demo I’ve ever seen. He’s done several months we’re he has personally sold over 100 full price kids memberships to a single gym in a single month. This Podcast got interrupted due to emergency but that ended up just being an additional upside since I

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  27. Episode 2 · Jan 12, 2024 · 100 min

    BJJ Business, Retention Strategies and Community Building with Phill Schwartz

    Today we speak to our second guest Phill Schwartz. We talk about how to increase your students retention, encouraging them to stay far longer, how to build a great community inside your school, how fast you should move students into live training and more! Red Belt Podcast is a production of Red Belt Software, making student retention and acquisition easier for gym owners. For more information abo

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  28. Episode 1 · Jan 6, 2024 · 99 min

    BJJ Business & Curriculum Insights for Retention and Student Experience with Danny Duckworth

    Today we speak with our first guest, super successful school owner and BJJ black belt Danny Duckworth! We talk about business, BJJ curriculum, Danny's opinion on promotions in BJJ and how they should work, what level someone should be to open a school and more. Especially if you own a BJJ school you should be following these, this podcast has the sort of information that a lot of people pay busine

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FAQ

About the Red Belt Podcast

Where can I listen to the Red Belt Podcast?
Everywhere you already listen: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, YouTube, Amazon Music, iHeartRadio, Pocket Casts, Castbox, Goodpods. You can also add the RSS feed to any podcast app.
Who is the podcast for?
Martial arts school owners and instructors — BJJ, karate, taekwondo, Muay Thai, MMA, kids programs and more — who want to grow enrollment, keep students longer, and run a more profitable academy.
Who hosts the show?
Brian Debes, founder of Red Belt Software and a 10th Planet Jiu Jitsu black belt, interviews school owners about exactly how they built their academies.
Is there video?
Yes. Full episodes are on YouTube and as a video podcast on Spotify.
I run a successful school. Can I be a guest?
We’re always looking for owners with a story worth sharing. Get in touch and tell us about your school.

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